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Bricked? 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 09:26 GMT

Dead Vulture

"Bricked" means irrevocably turned into a brick. This sounds like something a little less offensive.

Sure, it's not good, but it's not "bricked".

@Jared 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 09:50 GMT

Temporary paperweight?

Hardly bricked... 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 09:59 GMT

Dead Vulture

...the current beta firmware has expired, necessitating a download of the updated SDK which has a replacement firmware. iBricked? Nah. Very poor headline.

Bricked means as electronic as a brick 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 10:04 GMT

IT Angle

As an electronic device it's as much use as a brick. However with skill you may be able to unbrick it. Getting to the main circuit board there may well be a J-Tag connection or reset line that can be fed with a signal to bring it back to life.

If it simply requires a new firmware download in the usual way then I would not call it bricked.

RE: Bricked? 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 10:05 GMT

Bricked is also used when saying that someone 'Bricked' themselves.

If software fails and 'core dumps' or in some way takes out the phone, i'd say that it'd bricked itself.

@Jared 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 10:10 GMT

Flame

Depends, I wouldn't necessarily describe being bricked as irrevocable, just beyond the means/understanding of a standard luser to fix.

After all, I remember several earlier stories about apple's updates bricking iphones, and people then managing to fix them, just that the average luser with little knowledge won't be able to.

re: bricked 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 10:21 GMT

Linux

Well, bricked means unusable due to firmware not working correctly, but it doesn't mean that nothing can be done to revert or fix that behavior.

@Jacob 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 10:51 GMT

Coat

standard luser != developer

http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/brick.html

... and ...

"In the strictest sense of the term, bricking must imply that the device is completely unrecoverable without some hardware replacement. If the device can be repaired through software or firmware changes, it's not a brick." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_%28electronics%29

Sure, it's a Wikifiddler definition, but it's the one most people use.

@Jacob Reid 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 10:57 GMT

“Depends, I wouldn't necessarily describe being bricked as irrevocable, just beyond the means/understanding of a standard luser to fix.”

A standard luser isn't too likely to be running developer-only firmware on their iPhone, are they?

@ Jacob 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 11:08 GMT

The earlier stories regarding to Apple updates bricking phones were basically stories about people who used hacked (illegally aletered) versions of the firmware, and thus the updates not being compatible, which is completely within any companies rights to do, as they sell it to you in the state you purchase it, not how you alter it (not that i agree with Apple doing so in this case).

Also as has been pointed out and missed by some posters here, a firmware update is already available, just not an SDK update is all. I've had many occasions when *beta* versions of software ive used has run out and the updates not yet published, so it's not that unusual.

@ Jacob 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 11:09 GMT

The earlier stories regarding to Apple updates bricking phones were basically stories about people who used hacked (illegally aletered) versions of the firmware, and thus the updates not being compatible, which is completely within any companies rights to do, as they sell it to you in the state you purchase it, not how you alter it (not that i agree with Apple doing so in this case).

Also as has been pointed out and missed by some posters here, a firmware update is already available, just the SDK update was not yet available (but now is) is all. I've had many occasions when *beta* versions of software ive used has run out and the updates not yet published, so it's not that unusual.

Gotta love Apple 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 12:17 GMT

Jesus, if Microsoft disabled people's workstations when their MSDN subscription ran out, there'd be an outrage. But because Apple do it, it's ok.

Apple don't deserve a development community.

@ Lozzyho 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:04 GMT

Gates Horns

Microsoft broke RDC on OSX last week and no-one really complained. Devs can be understanding about betas.

@FRLinux 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 13:57 GMT

Boffin

"Well, bricked means unusable due to firmware not working correctly, but it doesn't mean that nothing can be done to revert or fix that behavior."

No, they're right! Bricked means irrevocably* in a state, where it cannot be ever be used again, except perhaps as a brick.

* This includes any situation, where there may be means of fixing it, but that these are inaccessible to the public, even via manufacturers' repair centres.

If you've got bad firmware on it, but can (relatively) easily replace it, and re-enable the phone, then it is not a brick.

@Steve Sutton 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 14:20 GMT

Boffin

Usually it is what it means, bricking a device means you're screwed and it won't work. The term has been used for indicating firmware-wipeout cases, usually those where JTAG access/knowledge is required.

See the Sony PSP, you can "brick" it by shutting it down while updating firmware, but then unbrick it using the Pandora Battery trick. Same for the NSLU2 devices if you're stupid enough to wipe the bootloader!

For the PSP case, it was inaccessible to the public until the Pandora Battery project emerged. So until then, it was for all purposes "bricked".

@lozzyho 

Posted Wednesday 9th April 2008 19:51 GMT

Thumb Down

The situation is more akin to a trial version of windows 7 running out. If you're using a beta as a production machine, you deserve what you get, be it windows, mac or otherwise.

Bricked? 

Posted Thursday 10th April 2008 08:30 GMT

Coat

It's a Jesus phone, remember. It'll be fine in a few days.