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Debug tool aims to metamorphise web development

Published Wednesday 7th May 2008 11:27 GMT

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firebug 

By dave
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 12:10 GMT

So it's pretty much the same as firebug?

Looks good 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 12:27 GMT
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This looks like it's a keeper. Most of my dev/debug needs are met by Firebug and the invaluable Web Developer Toolbar extensions for Firefox but at first glance this seems to have a much cleaner and logical UI and workflow.

Being able to browse the source with an expandable element tree and view the applied styles and it's component inheritances for a given element looks like a great time saver.

Firebug beater? 

By g e
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 12:31 GMT

Will be interested to see what this is like as I rely heavily on the truly superb Firebug in Firefox for these kind of features currently. If it's even just 'as good' as Firebug it'll be fantastic.

Whenever I have to view a site in IE for test purposes I always feel like I've slipped back into the early 1400's technology-wise when I want to find out why a webpage doesn't behave in Exploder.

Still M$ assures us that IE8 will be perfect; a work of technical standards-adherent art that will exude beauty and put all other browsers to shame.

I believe them absolutely. After all with near infinite money and resources they'd be idiotically incompetent if they couldn't achieve that.

Oh. Hang on...

Yeah, a bit like Firebug 

By James Howat
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 12:40 GMT
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Only more of it, officially supported, available in the latest betas, and can attach to remote instances of Opera, such as on mobiles and consoles.

@ Dave 

By Pete
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 12:40 GMT

Well firefox ripped off everything Opera does, so fair game, some of it goes the other way :D

Not yet complete 

By Anonymous Coward
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 12:57 GMT

This is very early in development and doesn't have all the planned features yet, apparently.

And it can do remote debugging so you can debug sites on your phone. I don't think Firebug has that.

Also, it seems to crash less than Firebug :D

P'edants corner 

By Chris Miller
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 12:58 GMT
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Dragonflies don't pupate, they have a nymph stage that, far from being a static pupa, is one of the most fearsome* predators in your local pond.

OK, back to the geek stuff

* Well, it is if you're only a couple of cms tall.

Seems to eclipse Firebug 

By Mark
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 13:35 GMT

Can do everything Firebug can, and more, including debugging remote devices like Opera Mobile.

Very nice.

Yet again, Opera leads, everyone else follows..

Nice 

By Robert Long
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 16:55 GMT
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I've had this loaded for about a week and didn't know!

Not bad 

By Kanhef
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 18:24 GMT
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Though OmniWeb already has everything but the script debugging. Pretty darn spiffy DOM inspector and all.

Remote what now? 

By Havin_it
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 18:27 GMT

I must be terribly dense, but what on Earth is this "remote debugging" about, and what is the advantage?

I'll take a guess that your desktop Opera somehow connects to the phone (wifi/Bluetooth or so...?) while it's browsing a page and gets ferried the information. Or does the data get bounced off Opera's servers, like everything you browse in Opera Mini? More explanation would be welcome.

I like the idea, but I'd sooner have an emulated phone setup on my desktop to work with (used to do this with the Sun J2ME SDK), otherwise you'll still be doing a lot of pissing about with fiddly buttons just to use the browser on the phone.

The dev tools will be very welcome anyway. Firefox has Firebug, Web Developer and many other, lesser but useful, extensions. IE even has the Developer Toolbar, though this would be much more valuable if it told you _why_ the DOM was behaving with the insanity of bat ordure... Now all we need is Safari or another WebKit-flavoured browser to float a similar offering and I will be a happy bunny.

Remote debugging 

By James Howat
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 23:32 GMT

The basic idea is that Opera has built a protocol called Scope for communicating with the browser process, getting the DOM information, etc. This protocol is now built into the Opera core, so it can be connected to from remote machines by TCP/IP. So your first guess was correct.

It also means that if other browsers develop Scope server add-ons, you will be able to debug all of them with one tool.

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